from Zaki Chehab in Kabul
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My meeting with the Afghan
President, Hamid Karzai was conducted in an atmosphere
where security, both around and inside the Presidential
palace in Kabul, was stifling. First there was the search
by members of the Afghan National Guard. Then, beyond
the main gates, I was subjected to an American-supervised
search, the officers aided by sniffer dogs. But the stringent
measures are understandable: it is the run-up to the much-anticipated
and historical Presidential elections earmarked for October
9.
And there can be little
doubt about the extent to which the life of President
Karzai is at risk from terrorist attacks. He has been
targeted in the past, but to boost their efforts to disrupt
the election process, the Taliban and its allies - mainly
the Al-Qaeda - have doubled their attacks against the
President, government officials, coalition forces and
so-called 'western agents,' in recent days. (A few days
after the interview, in fact, Karzai narrowly escaped
an assassination attempt).
Neither bravado, nor President
Karzai's pleasant demeanour can disguise the harsh reality
of his situation, the presence of high-level American
protection agencies a constant reminder of his vulnerability
and of the immense difficulties facing Afghanistan on
its way to democracy…
Q: Afghanistan is preparing
itself for its first-ever Presidential election in history.
How significant is this?
A: Holding both Presidential
and parliamentary elections in Afghanistan is of historical
significance. It is the first time that the Afghani people
have had the opportunity to vote for the President of
their choice. It is the first time we have registered
voters - 10.5 million people or more are registered. It
is the making of a new Afghanistan; the foundation [is
being laid] for a country with a legislative government
chosen by its people, under a constitution the Afghani
people have adopted. [It will be a government] that is
Islamic, democratic, and has institutional strength and
values. That's why it is so important.
Q: What do you feel have
been your main achievements since being appointed President,
and what are you hoping to achieve in the future?
A: There have been many
achievements: a strong currency, a better economy, a good
environment for peace, a country regaining its status
as a sovereign state with its flag flying all over the
world, gaining a lot of international respect , the return
of three to four million refugees. This country is once
again becoming the home of all Afghanis. We have had a
growth rate of 20 to 25 per cent over the last two years.
We have undertaken the reconstruction of our highways
and other projects, [in the process] meeting all the requirements
of the political process since the Bonn agreement, and
[managing to inspire] more than 10.5 million voters to
register.
When I told my friends
a year ago that Afghans would register, no one believed
me. They said terrorism and the Taliban would disrupt
such a process and people would be afraid as a result.
I said [it would be quite the contrary] - the more terrorists
tried to disrupt the process the more people would come
out. That is exactly what happened, and now we are having
elections.
So there have been a lot
of achievements, but of course there have been failures
and difficulties too, such as our inability to address
the question of private militia forces in the country,
the problem of drug cultivation, rampant corruption, of
[seemingly intractable] administrative issues, and so
many others. Of course the situation has improved a lot
in the past two years, but it needs to improve a lot more.
Q: Talking about the challenges
confronting you, how do you propose to address the issue
of warlords?
A: Afghanistan has to
make progress, and this progress has to come through the
rebuilding of the state and its institutions. There has
to be a government structure - a judicial and democratic
system which didn't exist before. Also, more importantly,
we need a national army and police force, if we want to
be a nation state, working through the institution of
the government. We have to remove private militias and
anyone else who insists on making this democratic process
difficult. It is absolutely vital that we get rid of them.
There should be a full process of integration into society.
Q: You have been working
on this issue for quite some time. There have been so
many meetings with warlords and heads of militias, but
there doesn't seem to have been much success. Why is that
so?
A: It is a combination
of factors. The process has been quite successful and
we are trying to complete it. The work is ongoing and
when there is a need to take stronger action, we will
take it, even if we know there will be some difficulty.
We need to have a better government and strong and effective
institutions, a stronger economy and a peaceful life.
This has to be done and we will do all we can to achieve
it.
Q: How do you explain
the large number of candidates for the Presidency?
A: The reason there are
so many candidates is that we are experimenting with our
newly -found democracy. The fact that there are so many
Afghanis who want to be President is a good thing. This
reflects the enthusiasm our people have for self-determination.
Actually, 18 candidates are not that many. I was expecting
more than 100 candidates to come forward!
Once you give people the
right to stand for office and vote, it is only natural
that they will come out and offer their services to the
nation. For my part, I would say, let the voters decide
who serves their interests best. Democracy lets people
exercise their rights. As Afghanistan becomes more experienced
in this tradition and political parties evolve, maybe
there will be fewer candidates, but for now [the numbers
are] a good sign.
The criticism that some
of the candidates have directed towards me, saying my
stay in office is unconstitutional, is not true. The constitution
of Afghanistan says that the President of an interim government
should continue until the elections and beyond - until
the inauguration of the elected President. Besides, there
is no country in the world where a President or Prime
Minister would resign and cause a vacuum of power.
Q: That aside, your critics
contend that there is nothing in the constitution which
gives you the power to delay parliamentary elections…
A: For democracy to exist
you have to have certain institutions, which are present
in all solid democratic states. We have an election commission
in Afghanistan and while it is currently a joint commission
between the UN and the Afghanis, it is independent and
sovereign. This joint commission decided to delay the
parliamentary elections for a few months and this message
was conveyed to the government by the chairman of the
commission. When it had been decided that the elections
would be delayed for two months, the commission asked
for more time to study the situation further and they
came back to us and told us it was impossible to [hold
elections] within two months. I do not have the authority
to [challenge the commission's decisions]. I want this
country to have institutions that all of us will respect.
Without an independent election commission, this country
will not have a true democracy. I should respect it, other
candidates should respect it, and the population should
respect it too.
Q: From day one you have
maintained that you are in favour of women's rights in
Afghanistan, and the constitution has recognised these
rights. But some critics have suggested that your government
does not reflect this committment…
A: Today more than 42
percent of the registered voters are women. And in some
provinces, which are facing extremely difficult situations
because of terrorist activities and threats from the Taliban,
for example Bakhtia, the number of women registered to
vote exceeds 45 per cent! No one can believe this. It
is our people who have made success a reality in Afghanistan
by adopting the constitution and by going to register
despite all the terrorist activities which have resulted
in the deaths of so many registrars in the past few months.
Women's rights will be a reality; it is already so.
Q: An escalation of attacks
by the Taliban indicates they have upped the anté
recently. What kind of presence and influence do they
enjoy today and to what extent will this affect the election
process?
A: The majority of Taliban
are just common Afghans. They are Afghan people, they
are in their villages, towns and cities, they are working.
They are farmers and shopkeepers - we don't have anything
against them. They are part of the fabric of this country
and they have as much right to it as I have. These Taliban
have not committed any crimes. They are not involved in
terrorism. Some Taliban are out of the country because
of fear. I request them to come back. This is their home,
their country is theirs and they must come and re-build
it together with other Afghans. However, the 50 to 100
Taliban who have blood on their hands, who still serve
outside forces and are part of terrorism, are not welcome.
If they come back they will be tried.
Q: The latter apart, is
there an official amnesty for the rest?
A: I have said this a
number of times before. The people want the common Taliban
to come back home. They must not be used by foreign forces
against their own country and their own people.
Q: What kind of presence
does the Al-Qaeda have in Afghanistan today?
A: They don't have bases.
They come and go, they hit and run, and we get them when
we find them. If we don't find them, they run away.
Q: Your country is part
of the coalition in the war against terrorism. Where is
the symbol of this terror - Osama bin Laden - three years
into this war?
A:We are pursuing him,
we will continue to do so and we will find him one day
- sooner rather than later. He is a fugitive. He can't
run forever.
Q: What kind of cooperation
do you have with the Pakistani government in its war against
terrorism and its fight in the tribal areas along the
border?
A: The Pakistani/Afghani
relationship is very good. People to people relationships
are fine too. They have a problem with terrorism, we have
the same problem. They are fighting terrorism, and we
are doing the same in our country. We want this fight
against terrorism to be strengthened and intensified.
Afghanistan is open to this kind of cooperation with our
brothers.
Q: Nonetheless, from time
to time we hear Afghani officials accusing Pakistan of
operating training camps for the Taliban. Have you raised
this issue with Islamabad?
A: We don't know about
training camps. We know about certain individuals [operating
in Pakistan]. We have discussed this matter with our Pakistani
brothers, and we will continue to discuss it.